By the way, in my previous post, I know there can be lots of arguments with how I have put it there. I don’t claim to have ” covered it” . Many questions disagreements forthcoming may well be things I would also agree with. In my own frustrations with my own lack of a real face toface embodiment of church, I find in both the RO and the Sojo projects things with which I do not wish to be without. In both of these, I see elements in them which are lived out in concrete forms in the Church of the Saviour, a group with a history and a story with whch I deeply resonate.

I cherish friendships from proponents of both, and know others who are proponents of both. I also owe a lot to Tony Campolo in helping me to develop a theologically-based Sociology which focuses on the Kingdom of God and its embodiment in church as polis.